A Prophet’s Log (Flush)Mercy Pt. 1 (Sermon Summary)
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Seven months into the ministry of the two most powerful prophets ever and there is still no verifiable evidence that they are actually prophets (!) Yet, some continue to believe specifically two who have commented recently on Mike’s blog, O and WO.
‘O places faith in God not man’, but continues to follow Ron. WO and O do not believe the timeline can be changed again without exposing Ron as a false prophet. (At least there’s that.) ‘The timing is perfect… 50th truth.’ ‘Ron has recommitted himself to this timeline.’ This timeline is prophecy, not presumptuous prediction. (Correct me if I’m wrong.) After much round and round, many points raised and ignored, it has come down to this: Time will tell.
WO and O are sincere. I was sincere as a JW, but I was sincerely wrong, too.
As one who mocks Ron, I am included in his death threat. Mike has pointed out that I’m ahead of him in line. (I usually don’t take cuts in line.) I think I’m behind the COG ministers Ron named specifically – all of whom are still alive. It turns out that I have not been cursed to die speedily from the inside out. Ron's curse: Those are the ones who God is going to begin working with early on, the mockers, the scorners, those who hate God. I don't hate God, I hate what Ron is doing and do not believe he is God's prophet anymore than I am Shaquile O'Neal. Sod off, Ron.
Detroit. Mercy. Hawiian coffee beans. Ron had a good vacation, but it was hot. (If he had his powers he could have made it rain and cooled it off.) Blah, blah, blah, blah…. Swine-flu might intensify according to European authorities. (Ron repeats the news instead of prophesying.) God is still not giving exact timing. Wooo – we may not be able to meet together soon. Boo! (Raise the specter, shake the specter and place it back in the bag.) Not prophesy. No surprise. Blah, blah, blah, blah….
Blah, blah, blah, blah…. Come on with it Ron…. Blah, blah, blah, blah…. the scattering… Blah, blah, blah, blah…. Its powerful, it truly is…. Blah, blah, blah, blah…. For a prophet, he talks a lot about the past…. Blah, blah, blah, blah…. If you want prophesy, you'll have to pull it out of Ron on the right.
Maybe God will get specific with Ron next week. Ho Hum. An utterly pointless story, how was he hurting other people out there who were dancing? Ridiculous. He wasn’t a believer then and neither were they. What a bunch of hypocritical crap.
Tick Tock.
Your time runs short, Ron Weinland. Judgment day is coming.
Dill Weed
45 comments:
"Detroit. Mercy."
Isn't that the name of the big Catholic University in that city -- Detroit Mercy? The school which gave our country basketball coach Dick Vitale?
I couldn't say. LOL
: D
Dill Weed
Dill Weed: I think you forgot to mention all the scriptures about mercy and how God desires us to be merciful too. I guess this is what you consider blah, blah, blah ... I'm disappointed but not really surprised. In your mocking, be careful not to be a hater of God.
I love God and value the words of the bible. But, that is not the purpose of this blog.
Dill Weed
It's important to have a purpose in life. I hope, in the final analysis, you have chosen wisely. If you truly love God and value the Bible then you will know that it says that every idle word will be judged. It is a good thing that we also know that God is merciful. Please don't consider God's mercy a small thing. If you really understood the role of the end time witnesses you would realize that the main job is not to prophesy , as in to foretell events, but to reveal God's will for mankind in these last days. Ron is doing his job well and these last sermons on judgment and mercy are good examples. If you could hear past a few announcements and side stories, you might just get it. You only hear what you want to hear. Ron is not a gifted speaker. He admits this. God uses us in spite of our weaknesses. When we are weak, then He can be strong. As long as you are "strong" in your own opinions, you will never hear what is really being said in the sermons. Perhaps, you really don't want to and if that is the case then nothing more needs to be said.
Thanks for you thoughtful post, O.
God didn't say that my Two Witnesses will "reveal My will for mankind in these last days."
He said, "they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, strike the earth with plagues as often as they wish."
What you described as the main purpose of the Two Witnesses isn't mentioned by God at all.
The Two Witnesses prophesy and punish and withhold rain.
God's will for mankind is for them to repent, period. That's it. It's in the bible over and over. Many have repeated this, it is nothing new.
Substance should be in sermons, not announcements. People joining, being treated nicely, get baptized happens everyday in other churches - doesn't mean they are God's organization though.
What is happening in the announcements that would prove Ron is a prophet?
I respect you. At best, you have added to the job of the Two Witnesses - even contradicting God's job description by saying this is their major job when he did not see fit to mention it and has already many times revealed his will for mankind in the last days.
The are straight forward facts. How can they be disputed or minimized?
Dill Weed
maybe his preaching on mercy is a lead in to him asking for mercy when he can no longer deny he is a false prophet....hmmmmm.
It appears to me that Dill Weed would agree that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Weinland's claim for Witness-hood has no supporting evidence, but plenty of contradicting evidence.
Do you agree, Dill Weed?
Good morning Dill Weed: God called his two end time witnesses WITNESSES for a purpose. He didn't call them His two end time prophets. Part of their job description is to prophesy and so they are prophets but God emphasizes their main role in His plan by calling them His witnesses. (Rev.11:3) this is again emphasized when their deaths are foretold. "And when they shall have finished their testimony (witness)" they will be killed. (Rev. 11: 7) Read the whole section in Revelation as well as the companion scripture in Zechariah (OT) where it speaks of the lamp and olive branches. All of the prophets had, as a major part of role in God's plan, the job of showing man how to live God's way which is REPENTING of living our own way (which is disobedience to God .... SIN) and living God's way .... obeying His commandments. Revelation 14:12 says "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of GOD, and the faith of Jesus.
Also, keep in mind what prophesy is .... it's not JUST foretelling the future. Rev. 19: 10 " ... worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy."
You may not see that Ron is fulfilling his role as end time witness. I disagree. During the Sabbath services Ron is mainly fulfilling the role of pastor. (the "sheeples" need to be fed). Everything else that God has declared about His witnesses WILL happen, in God's time and according to God's plan. People mocked Jesus, too, and continually asked for "a sign". His true followers didn't need to see signs. They didn't understand everything but they heard the voice of God speaking through Him and they saw the Spirit of God living in Him. They had eyes to see and ears to hear. They were blessed, they were called and chosen but they still had to choose to be faithful to the end, no matter what. Not all of them did this. In Rev. 17:14 we are told that the ones who return with Jesus Christ will be those who have been "called, and chosen, and faithful.
I'm sorry if I have been preaching. Let's just call it teaching although I don't presume to be a teacher in God's Church so perhaps "sharing" would be a better term.
I don't think you hate God. But remember, most of those who mocked Jesus and eventually put Him to death thought that they loved God and were doing Him a service.
comparing RW to Jesus is blasphemus in my opinion! How dare you O! That's probably one of the most twisted things I've heard you say.
Jesus did not live in the lap of luxury as your beloved RW does. Jesus was truly humble. RW has not a hint of being clothed in sackcloth...spiritually speaking or not! You O should be very thankful for a merciful God for that careless comparison.
Todd: I really must have missed something here. I compared RW to Jesus? They both have been mocked .... ok ..... I have been mocked ..... Wow! That means I'm just like Jesus ... and Ron. You should write a new book on logic. Yours is a little different than what I learned in Philosophy 111.
By the way, people did not see Jesus as humble in His day. They thought He was arrogant, full of pride, demon possessed, a drunkard, a fool, a law breaker .... (get my point?). Even His own family members felt this way about Him. Hind sight is 20 20.
I would never blaspheme my Lord and Savior.
observer, i barely made it through high school!
But, I still know BS when I see it.
You just made the comparison again...hello!
what kind of structure do you think Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ lived in while he was with us here on earth in the flesh?
What did he tell the rich man that wanted to know what he needed to do.
Maybe RW should look into following the same recomendation.
Todd: I didnt have to go to university to recognize BS either. Got to sift through a lot of it there too. Have a nice day.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. No question. There is a remarkable lack of it in Ron's case. Strikingly, there is much to contradict his claims - staggering piles by any measure - such that believers can only go on faith in Ron's word. If you believe it's because God gave it, but you can only know God gave it because Ron tells you and, if you doubt then God has stopped giving it. A member can be forever strung along, unless they start requiring some proof - which is seemingly always on the way and closer still.
Tick Tock
With respect to revealing God's will and feeding the sheeples - many pastors do that today - reading bible passages, encourage members to live by bible based standards and such. Many do a much better job than Ron.
Ron does little 'prophesying' except in the vaguest sense, repeating things the bible has said, Europe will rise, etc, repeating economists, dollar will fall - he amps this up and it remains in the future. If there is an econimc recovery - Ron will say it is just to further humble mankind when the great fall eventually comes.
Ron has had to elaborate where he has 'prophesied' specifically - Thunders etc, 1st Trumpet (spirituallized away, good thing God told Ron it had sounded so he could tell faithful church members who hadn't percieved anything at all.)
BTW, I think one of the thunders was that mor epeople would die of disease. Again, not specific. This is totally predictable, more people, bad diets, and the ver present chance of viruses mutating. CDC and NHS are all aware of these eventualities.
Talking about getting together for some festival, Ron mentioned Swine flu at 10:55 – Europe is predicting large numbers of people coming down with swine-flu. He’s repeating what someone said, not prophesying.
Dill Weed
Dill Weed: Just for the record you completely ignored everything I said. Have it your way.
I agree with what you said. I just don't agree it legitmizes Ron as a prophet. I don't dispute that that is what the bible says. Objective proof just isn't there that's really the point.
We were talking at cross points. I read and understood what you said. There is still no proof of a prophet. But there has to be and soon. On that we agree.
Regards,
Dill Weed
You are right. We both agree on that. Take care.
Just wondering what you mean by soon ..... I really don't expect any significant proof until at least after the first complete "time" is finished. Even then, there is, as you would say, "wiggle room" for a bit. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but, hey, you can snooze through the sermons and not miss anything. I can let you know if you missed anything since I'll definitely be listening. You could even get in an extra couple of hours of fishing. ; )
I'll kep listening. Ron may prophesy. A time - that is only aboiut 5 months away.
The countdown is on.
Do you think the 2nd Trumpet will delay beyond the thal way mark of 9/4/2010?
Dill Weed
Hi Dill Weed. Yes, the first "time" would end in December. (360 days from the first trumpet) If I were to speculate, I would say that the second trumpet will blow before the midpoint of the 3 1/2 years, maybe soon after the completion of the first "time". It wouldn't have to, though, for the timing to still work.
In my brain, which likes logical patterns, I would give two "times" for the 2nd to 5th trumpets (one trumpet per half time) and 1/2 "time" for the 6th trumpet but .... your guess is as good as mine. I was going to ask you how you thought it would go and then realized what a dumb question that would be. : ) This is the way I had it "figured" before the info on time, times and half a time came out but you can believe that or not as you will. I don't expect you to believe everything I say. Why should you?
Anyway, I enjoy discussions and debates, hate arguments (fights), don't mind difficult questions or admitting when I don't have an answer and I don't think it's necessary to be in agreement with everything in order to be a person's friend.
Hope you are having a great day! C
One of the central themes of '2008 God's Final Witness' was that the disasters which Ronald said would happen would be allowed by God in order to humble the arrogant/pride filled (etc) people and turn them to God. Ronald said he was getting this information directly from God.
On Jan 31/09 (or thereabouts) Ronald instructed PKG to take part in the 2 day fast and pray for the disasters (thunders) to increase so that the process described in his '2008 GFW book' would be increased so that more people would repent.
In Ronald's post of Times, Time & 1/2 time of June 2009 Ronald (still getting his information from God) is doing a complete turnaround - saying completely opposite - in that the 2 day fast & praying has resulted in a prolonging of time before the disasters come so that more people will be humbled and turn to God.
Well, Ronald, which is it?? Will the disasters cause the people to repent or will the absence of disasters cause the people to repent??
That's the problem with lies - it is hard to keep them all straight -The truth is easy, cuz it just is.
deb,
i said the same thing on a different blog.
his followers just deny that is what was said.
go figure
I've come to the conclusion that there is little point debating because it oftens leads to hard feelings. I've contented myself with the fact that Ron is caught in a time vice of his own making. Time will be his undoing.
As a person who formerly was afflicted with a apocolyptic mindset, I know people put a lot of hope in dates, especially when someone is as specific as Ron.
My hope is that Ron will eventually expose himself. And for that to happen, current believers need to be given room to examine their beliefs without having to defend them and be confronted by someone else.
The information needs to be put out there and that's what I attempt to do. I am glad for commenters and other bloggers who do the same.
All are welcome here as we see what time tells.
Dill Weed
With God, I don't believe there are coincidences. His plan is beautifully worked out; everything according to His perfect time. I don't believe that it's a coincidence that WO and I ended up posting on Mike's site at the same time. I don't think it's a coincidence that we are "practically neighbors" (but don't worry, I would never make personal contact unless and until he works things out with his parents and has their permission to do so). And, lastly, I don't think it's a coincidence that we have had this discussion. There is more to Dill Weed than mocking. You have a serious side too and a side that was kinder to WO than most were. I believe you think you are doing the right thing, exposing lies. I really don't understand why it's necessary to mock. Shouldn't exposing lies be a serious matter? I'm not judging you, just trying to understand why someone who loves God would show it in this way.
A scripture keeps popping into my mind so I'll leasve on this note:
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened: there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
I believe that God answered the prayers of His people and this has happened. Same number of days but a later start for "the worst time of trouble that ever was or will be again". This is what we cried out to God for .... more lives spared, not more death as we have been accused of praying for. There will be NO NEW TIMELINE. Of this I am certain. But there may still be some twists and turns that will try the patience of the saints. We are called to endure to the end. God gives us so much and asks for so little. He knows how weak we really are. He is a merciful God.
I have enjoyed talking to you. I'd give you my e-mail address in case you wanted to talk "off the record" but that wouldn't be wise on an open forum like this. So take care and be careful : ) C
A Dill Weed who likes to Tick Tock
Will be in for a terrible shock
When the trumpet sound two
He'll say "What can I do?
If I only could turn back the clock!"
: )
With God, I don't believe there are coincidences. His plan is beautifully worked out; everything according to His perfect time. I don't believe that it's a coincidence that WO and I ended up posting on Mike's site at the same time. I don't think it's a coincidence that we are "practically neighbors" (but don't worry, I would never make personal contact unless and until he works things out with his parents and has their permission to do so). And, lastly, I don't think it's a coincidence that we have had this discussion. There is more to Dill Weed than mocking. You have a serious side too and a side that was kinder to WO than most were. I believe you think you are doing the right thing, exposing lies. I really don't understand why it's necessary to mock. Shouldn't exposing lies be a serious matter? I'm not judging you, just trying to understand why someone who loves God would show it in this way.
A scripture keeps popping into my mind so I'll leasve on this note:
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened: there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
I believe that God answered the prayers of His people and this has happened. Same number of days but a later start for "the worst time of trouble that ever was or will be again". This is what we cried out to God for .... more lives spared, not more death as we have been accused of praying for. There will be NO NEW TIMELINE. Of this I am certain. But there may still be some twists and turns that will try the patience of the saints. We are called to endure to the end. God gives us so much and asks for so little. He knows how weak we really are. He is a merciful God.
I have enjoyed talking to you. I'd give you my e-mail address in case you wanted to talk "off the record" but that wouldn't be wise on an open forum like this. So take care and be careful : ) C
A Dill Weed who likes to Tick Tock
Will be in for a terrible shock
When the trumpet sound two
He'll say "What can I do?
If I only could turn back the clock!"
: )
I have no idea why that went on twice. My computer is really messing up. Sorry.
I have been through this myself - thinking I had the truth. I had the end held out in front of me and had it ever moved back. No more.
Exposing lies is a serious matter. The liar, in my view, does not deserve respect. I believe it is done knowingly and I take that seriously.
I don't believe I need to be concerned about the second trumpet in Ron's case. People will have opportunity to repent during the Great Trib. Things will be unmistakeably clear then. So be it. I'll wait.
Interesting, you see God shortening it on the front end. That is a possibility though it seems remote to me.
Another way of looking at it is that those 3 1/2 years will be so bad that IF it extended beyond its time limit then all would perish.
All my communication here will be public. I own my position. I will be monitoring and looking at all evidence. While I am not open to conversion by any stretch I will examine all pertinent evidence.
Dill Weed
I have been lied to plenty of times as well. Satan does mix in a little truth with the lies though, in order to cause confusion, frustration and to cause people to give up or be skeptical about everything when they see the lie. A little skepticism is not necessarily a bad thing. A lot of times it is a person's own fault for being deceived. They don't question and they don't seek Truth in the right place. If God does open their eyes to some Truth they don't always obey. It has been my experience that we don't move on until we are willing to obey God at each step. It is never easy and it was never intended to be.
BTW the limerick was in fun, not to be "doctrinal" or anything. : ) I'm not sure though that things will be perfectly clear once things begin to happen. The Bible is clear that man will continue to refuse to repent. We are very hardheaded and hard hearted. It is also clear that "today if you hear my voice" ... and "the Spirit will not always strive with man." I cannot judge wether or not this describes you.
As for Matthew 24:22. What you said is the traditional way of looking at that scripture and the way that I always took it. It was just a couple of days ago that I saw the other possibility and, yes, it is only one possible interpretation.
As you say, time will tell.
I'm not sure though that things will be perfectly clear once things begin to happen.
That is surprising to hear from a believer. Once things begin to happen they will be unmistakeably clear. A short review of the Trumpet, etc tells you that. The dollar becoming worthless won't be hard to miss. America being invaded will be on the news. Europe rising. Saints being persecuted and beheaded. The massive amplification of Ron's ministry to worlwide scale, holding back rain to deliver judgment, slaying people with fire out of their mouths, striking the earth with plagues as often as they wish. coming to be hated by the world to the point their deaths will be clebrated with gift giving. No, once things start happening they will certainly and unquestionably be recognizable.
That you have been lied to (misled) before has me wondering how you can believe wholeheartedly in a prophet whose claims at best require strenuous effort to substantiate and who relies on an explanation that people cannot understand unless God opens their minds (I do realize this appears in the bible)and that things he has predicted are happening, but not in physical way. None of this was spoken in Mandarin Chinese.
Reasonable people will be able to recognize particularly those with bible knowledge and with knowledge provided in Ron's books, his witness. Also the bible speaks of a Great Crowd coming out of the Tribulation who no man is able to number - likewise Ron says millions will be joining soon.
Dill Weed
dill/o
i've brought this up before, but i think with all the babble going on, it got glossed over:
Things are coming into play that revelations does talk about and does give me the sign that we are indeed in the end times.
Specifically, an article I read about Al Gore stating that Cap and Trade will help usher in the Globel Government and Russia, China and now India all calling for a new Global Currency.
These are the types of things the Church/Bride of Christ/Body of Christ is to be watching for in my opinion. I could elaborate much more and tie several other current events in ... but I hope these few words get my point across.
as i've said many times, I do not doubt we are in the end times, just that RW is definately not who he claims to be....see mat 24:23-27
Hi Dill Weed: It will be perfectly clear to those who are willing to see and to repent. Actually this is already true but, yes, it will become abundantly more clear, especially to those who haven't already had a chance to "see" and obey. I was thinking of Daniel 12:9 - 10. And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
This is why I believe that it won't be "clear" for many. Even though the evidence is all around them, they will refuse to see it.
I think of all the people who believe in the pretrib rapture (without a shred of evidence Biblical or otherwise BTW). This would have been one of the lies I was told and one of the first ones I "got rid of" so to speak and quite the little heritic I was in some peoples eyes. Why? Because I didn't agree with them. I have never tried to push my beliefs, the things I believe God has clearly shown me in His Word, on other people but we are admonished to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Since this is impossible to do in our own strength and our own wisdom, I began at a fairly young age to cry out, even to beg God for wisdom to live a life that pleased Him, to purify my heart, to show me the truth about myself. It has been a long road, one that I wouldn't want to go down again and yet the lessons learned have been worth every tear. God has been faithful, even when I have not. When we fall down, He picks us up. He is always there but He does not "spoil us rotten". There are things to learn and if we refuse to learn, we stay where we are.
You talk about proof. You believe that those in PKG have no proof and blindly follow after a man. I will only speak for myself because we are all very much individuals, not cookie-cutter Christians by any means. God has given me abundant and amazing proof. You would call it subjective proof and I would have to agree with you. But it is proof that has been revealed over a lifetime and especially during the past twenty or so years. One step moved slowly into the next as I got out of my own way and let God show me the way to go so that I could walk in it.
This "step", PKG, didn't begin as some would accuse .... I didn't wake up one day and think "lets google "endtimes" and see what I can learn. I was praying and reading my Bible, as was my custom to do, and God CLEARLY showed me the truth about the Sabbath day. I couldn't tell you the portions of the Bible I was reading but I can tell you that I was not thinking about the Sabbath beforehand. I was not looking for any specific answers to any questions, I just wanted to "hear" from my Father and, "hear" I did. Once again I was confronted with a Truth which called for a response.
There is much more to the story, of course, but I think I've said enough for now.
Believe me when I say that I understand your skepticism. I'm glad that you won't just jump on any bandwagon.
Each one of us is accountable to God to use what He has given to us as good stewards. This includes everything, not just tithes. Our lives belong to Him. He gives them back to us so that we can choose to follow or not. He never forces His will on any of us. We have an incredibly awesome (no words to describe Him) Heavenly Father and His plan is PERFECT.
o,
I can agree with a lot of what you said. I myself have grown a great deal over the years.
But this is why I don't believe RW to be any more than a false prophet: I listened to RW on the Mike McConnel show the first time he was on. He stated what was going to happen specifically by specific dates! Naturally, I waited and watched with great anticipation. Not only did I listen, but who knows how many thousands also listened. Did you hear me...thousands of people heard this.
You know as well as I, these things did not happen! You give RW a free pass because he repented for being presumptuouse (spelling?) I look at it as what the bible says in DEUT ... he is a false prophet!
I can't speak for the THOUSANDS of others that heard the interview...I'm sure many look at it from the bibles stand point and call him a false prophet. But many more would just right him off as another end time lunatic wack job! Which, in my opinion, if we are in the end times, is very dangerouse for those still seeking our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I really don't think you or the rest of his followers grasp the severity of his "error".
Believe me, I see the signs.
I wish you would not refer to me as a "follower" of Ron or Weinland or whatever. We are members together of the Body of Christ, equal in God's sight but given different jobs to do. Ron and Laura do not "lord it over" anyone. If some people are "in awe" of him/them it is definitely not because they encourage it. Actually, it is obvious that it makes them very uncomfortable. They are lovely, down to Earth people. (well, Laura is lovely and they are both down to Earth ; ) ) They both have a great sense of humor. (Laura does not cackle BTW) They are friendly, outgoing and very easy to talk too. I know that doesn't prove that they are the witnesses, I just wanted to let you know what they are like.
As I said, I don't follow Ron, I follow God. You don't know me so I don't expect you to believe me necessarily but please respect my request. You may not be able to say that I follow God, I understand that .... you believe that I am deceived, but please don't refer to me as a Weinland follower because, as I explained, I'm not.
Todd,
There is a desire to create a global currency. China is essentially held hostage by the 700-800 billion we owe them. There are big movements in the works. They'll take years and wars to play out. The US still has the most powerful military in the world and seemingly will continue to for some time. Perhaps somekind of NWO will step out onto the world stage. We are moving toward several different unions governing the world.
Jack Kelley does a good job explaining Revelation and End Times
http://gracethrufaith.com/
Things are shaping up the way Revelation describes them and will accelerate. It does not seem likey that the EU can outstrip the US in 2 years (using Ron's timeline). We will see. Keep watching.
O,
I don't believe I have the 'truth'. I don't know about Todd. All I know is that I don't know and so therefore view things objectively skeptically. I know the bible. I'm waiting and watching. Todd is too.
I won't call you a follower of Ron. However I see things that concern me. This is not a personal attack.
Ron has gotten off to a shaky start. Presumptuous puiblic predictions that did not materialize.
I think he said that he did not need to repent of those and that God gave him the information knowing what he would do ostensilby for some greater purpose perhaps the 50th truth? You can't understand unless God gives it. Trumpets only Ron hears. Ron seemingly being the only conduit through which God's truth can come.
Just some things that give me pause.
Wanting to worship God, wanting connectedness with him can result in our being deceived by those who say they speak in God's name. Proof has to show itself soon. That's why I am watching and waiting.
Dill Weed
thanks dillweed,
and no, i certainly do not claim to have all the aswers...just a lot of observations watching and comparing to what the bible tells us will happen....I subcribe to the believe that noone knows the time or date. and there is good reason for that.
i also believe there is a push globally to seek the one world thing....but, it can be held back by the people....God always gives people the choice....and when that choice does go to the one world thing...that is when the rest of revelation will start getting more and more intense.
I hope that made some sense.
i'll have to check Jack kelly out when i have more time. thanks.
p.s. o,
Some of the most lovely people I have known (from the outward appearance) have been some of the darkest people on the inside.
The truth about their motives always materialize in time.
Dill Weed: I certainly understand your concerns and don't at all take it as a personal attack. There are people that know me well who I'm sure are concerned, people who knew me from church, but, it's strange, no one wants to ask me anything and I don't push. We still get together,(outside of church services) we still love each other, we just don't talk about God and they no longer ask me to pray about things for them or sing at functions. : ) I appreciate being able to share a little here. I realize how much my life has always revolved around the church and conversations about God and such. I miss that part. I have one friend now who I can actually share with but we rarely see each other. She isn't in PKG. She's interested, doesn't mind discussing things; she listens, I listen but she has too much fear of certain people in her life. I understand but I also know that God always upholds us when we choose to do the right thing. Anyway, I'm rambling. Sorry : ) Thank you for not righting me off and for not mocking.
Todd: I realize that even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. We can't put too much emphasis on appearance. I was just telling you what Ron and Laura are like because they have been painted in a much different light. Not everything you have read on the anti-Weinland sites are true.
Observer - You have a lovely way of expressing yourself in writing -So glad to see that you have not severed your relationships with non-PKG friends and family - From what I have experienced, your practice is more the exception than the rule with members of PKG and other X-WCG splinters - I believe that many fellow bloggers including Kirrily, "W" and XHWA would agree.
You may, possibly, be a lady from PEI who travelled to Toronto in March 2008 to be baptized by Ronald - If that is the case, had the weather not been so stormy and circumstances had been different, we may have met back then.
I can appreciate your kind written words about Ronald & Laura - and that your experience with them is a positive one. Please take care not to invalidate what others have written from their personal experiences with them -involving a period of perhaps years time spent with them. You have met them on one or perhaps two occasions.
Dill, I agree with your approach re: Ronald's timeline being his own undoing - I think of those who are 'following Ron as he follows God' - yes, it is their choice in these matters.
I personally believe that Ronald and Laura are in this gig for the $$$, power & lifestyle. I'm alerted, again, to hear how these self-proclaimed 'witnesses' have set aside a Swiss Bank Account for themselves - and at the same time telling the members of their church - (the church Ronald incorporated) - that they, the followers, must rely upon God to provide for them. I ask "If these were God's witnesses, would God not provide for them??"
I also ask "What about this 'wine cellar' in their $381,000 home", which Ronald often referred to in his sermons. I question why 'God's two witnesses' would put together a collection of fine wines from around the word on the brink of 'the final time, times & half- times'.
Just my two cents :-)
Hi Debbie, you must be confusing me with someone else. I wasn't baptized in March of 2008. Also, I don't know of anyone in PKG that has severed ties with family members and friends although I'm sure it does happen. It would not be encouraged though. I know that the time will come when my friends and family will have questions and will want answers. I will be there for them then, as I always have been in the past and am even now. The friends that I refer to are trying to honor God with their lives. I know that they believe that this is what I am trying to do as well even though they don't understand what has happened. They are not ready to ask me and that is fine. They know my life, my love for God, my desire for Truth and I'm sure that they believe that I'll "come around" in time. And so we leave it at that and let God work things out in His time.
dill,
read some of the website you recommended...interesting stuff.
a little dated on what i read...but will read more when i get time.
the stuff about the guy in kenya, i think that was debunked...dont know for sure though.
Todd,
It was more the Revelation chronology and his articles on Isaiah and the sequence of end time events that I found informative. Quite a bit of reading. He does a good job explaining. Probably, as good explanations as I've read.
Dill Weed
dill,
just read the sequence of events. VERY interesting....definately deserves a hard look at the scriptures and further reading.
Thanks for the info.
Dill Weed: Your slide show of "God's Real Work" is amazing. Thanks for sharing it.
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